It defends itself. THE AD HC EXPROCURATOR OF THE LLAND JATO CASE Silvana Carrión He pointed against the mayor of Lima, Rafael López Aliagato be behind his dismissal in the position he had been occupying. The game Popular renewal It is in the sight of the Attorney General’s Office after Carrión’s office requested that it be included in the investigations of alleged illicit contributions for its 2014 campaign. In case they are found guilty, the political group of the mayor of Lima could pay a civil reparation together against other legal persons for more than S/270 million. He said that he evaluates to present an amparo action to reverse his situation.
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The Board of Directors of the State Attorney General supports its dismissal in “loss of confidence.” How is this “loss of confidence” measured even though you got the collection of more than S/310 million in favor of the State?
They allege a loss of confidence, but I have not notified any explanation and no statement from why or what is the basis of loss of confidence. While it is true, they can make the decision to cease an attorney, what they can do for the sake so that this decision is not arbitrary, as it has been, is to indicate why it has been lost (confidence).
So what is your dismissal based?
The only resolution indicates is that I am terminated by the designation as a attorney for “loss of confidence” and refers to two reports that have been prepared within the General Counselor of the State, but I have not been notified either. I don’t know what the evaluation has been to make this decision. What does work in the Minutes of Debates of the Board of Directors is that the requests for the mayor of the Municipality of Lima have as a history of Lima who, I understand, has asked for my dismissal. So, that is the only reference that has that act.
That is, officially his dismissal has to do with the requests of the mayor of Lima, Rafael López Aliaga…
Yes, because that indicates the Minutes of the Board of Directors. Numeral 2.5 indicates that they will give attention to the requests made by the mayor of Lima to the Attorney General of the State and in 3.5 says that with 3 documents submitted by the mayor and two reports that apparently support this order. About that, they make the decision to cease me. It is evidenced that the decision making is made because of the request made by the mayor of Lima, Rafael López Aliaga.
You have always been in the sights of politicians. Did the pressures against him increase when Rafael López Aliaga asks for his departure?
Yes … I have been communicating it to the media since before my cessation to the Attorney General’s Office. Since the end of May and the beginning of June I have been receiving pressures from the mayor of Lima, even indirectly pressure to my WhatsApp, asking me to accept an order that he had formulated to participate in a procedure abroad. Originally, it had been presented by the Attorney General’s Office of the Municipality of Lima and an International Lawyer Study. When they lose that motion and it is communicated and it was public news, on May 30, the mayor makes that order in order to try to save this procedure. I do an evaluation with my team and the analysis that turned out is that the entity that is best positioned is to participate is the Prosecutor’s Office and we communicate it to the mayor.
And then what happened…
It is in attention to that evaluation whether we should participate or not. In all those days it was when I received those pressure messages from the mayor in which he says: “You are forcing me to go to the press to denounce this behavior.” So, what he is doing is a direct interference in my function as an attorney to specifically evaluate or not to participate or not and what he was doing is press. That was accompanied by an everyday media campaign on social networks.
¿And what happened to the decision to intervene the Prosecutor’s Office?
When we communicate that the Prosecutor’s Office should participate, he asks the attorney Caruajulca to expand the competence of the Ad hoc attorney to participate jointly with the MML, so that we make common defense. The Attorney General issues a resolution, in which she provides that we intervene in this procedure and actively participate to address this order. However, the mayor asks the attorney to my dismissal, although I was intervening.
There were congressmen who sought her …
On June 9, a group of popular renewal congressmen attends the Office of the Attorney General to ask me to turn off the position, because “I do not represent the interests of the State.”
Popular renewal is investigated for alleged contributions of illicit…
It is important to mention that these facts are developed in the field of the situation in which the Popular Renewal Political Group has been investigated as a legal entity in a fiscal folder that was in charge of the Ad Hoc attorney. Moreover, it is not only as a third legal entity investigated, but it has been requested that popular renewal enter as a third party responsible for the payment of civil reparation. Then, there would be a clear conflict of interests of the political group and the mayor of Lima, Rafael López Aliaga.
The true interest of the mayor of Lima was its dismissal so that popular renewal is not being investigated that would have previously been national solidarity?
Yes. That is, the mayor’s interest was that they dismiss me in the midst of the request I had made to the Ad hoc attorney to be incorporated into popular renewal as a responsible civilian third party. That’s where he requests that. And then the dismissal requested by the mayor is due to those interests that his political group has, which presides over the Odebrecht agreement with congressman Alejandro Muñante.
Popular renewal is investigated for this case. In case of being found guilty, would you have to pay any type of repair?
In this case, in which we are requesting that the group enter the third party responsible, the Attorney General’s Office has already presented a civil accusation of around S/270 million that would have to pay jointly with other legal and natural persons that are involved.
Is the mayor and/or congressmen who were looking for their departure?
The political organization that we know is that its president is the mayor of the Municipality of Lima, only the legal entity.
If popular renewal is found guilty and does not pay civil reparation, what would happen?
In case it is determined that this political group is guilty, which are criminal and civil, they have to pay civil reparation and we would have to collection we would have to proceed to embargoes on the goods, accounts and assets of the organization, as empowers the norm. They asked to be excluded, but the Attorney General’s Office opposed. That is why they remain investigated.
Then, the real interest that would be behind this request for this dismissal, in which it is based that was at the request of the mayor of Lima, would be more for the investigation that is being carried out against popular renewal …
For the investigation that is being carried out against popular renewal and because the mayor wants to put in some procedures abroad the attorney that he wants and considers, because it seems that we are uncomfortable, because we review each document they present, because they are not rigorous. In my case, I am an uncomfortable person for Mayor Rafael López Aliaga, who does not suit his interests and that is why he has had political interference and, unfortunately, the Attorney General has submitted to this political power.
Did you never feel supported by the Attorney General, María Caruajulca?
I am surprised, because everything has begun to change before the mayor’s requests. The doctor let us do our work autonomously and independently, without any interference. However, from the orders made by the mayor, she changes her attitude, because, first, she receives a group of popular renewal congressmen and what she had to do was defend from any political interference, and seconded what López Aliaga said. That exhibition she has done is something that no attorney can allow, they are to protect from any political interference.
Its dismissal occurs after the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) showed its concern about harassment and intimidation against anti -corruption prosecutors…
One of those OECD letters was sent to the doctor María Caruajulcahe has received it, but hours later he has allowed political interference, he is bent to politicians, so I say it is a completely arbitrary decision. It goes against what they have asked.
The representative of the Ministry of Justice, Juan Cavero, who was recently placed by Juan Santiváñez, voted in favor of his dismissal. Was it played on a wall with the mayor of Lima for separation?
It’s strange. The change that is caused and achieved my dismissal is with the change of minister and his representative in the Board of Directors.
Can this decision be reversed?
I am evaluating to present an amparo action, because it cannot happen that an entity that must comply with the legality and protect autonomy cannot yield to political power. I will present an amparo action to reverse this decision.
