Are you against vacancy unless a case of flagrancy appears?
Yes. I am against vacancy, unless there are indications that lead to criminal liability; But that still makes me want to say that it is a shame that Mr. José Jerí has not understood the significance, importance and dignity of the assignment. He is not president of the Republic. Only presidents are those who participate in the presidential formula. He enters as a person in charge of the office in his capacity as president of Congress. And for a little while, because the elections were already called.
Is it youth or inexperience?
It is irresponsibility and it is nonsense. I don’t want to use a colloquial word that kids say. Clumsiness, not to mention a phrase that Martha Hildebrandt would have used. He has not known how to maintain his composure and prevent any situation of doubt about his performance. On the contrary, it has increased it. And on top of that, by wanting to give explanations, he has gotten more tangled.
It ended his chances of returning. He is young.
Not so young because he is almost 40 years old. He has party experience and has spent 4 years in Congress. Youth is not an excuse. It is lack of temperance, lack of personal level and lack of class. But not social class, but integrity and understanding of the circumstance in which he is.
The crisis is presidential. You can’t even change the premier or refresh the cabinet.
Yes. He wanted to be the protagonist. It doesn’t surprise me, because the presidency in Peru is usually very personalized. The moment also did not allow us to find better people. And he has found good people. The premier is good, the Minister of Inclusion, the chancellor himself… They are people with careers. So, in these circumstances it is not easy. What cabinet are they going to form in this short time if it is going to be replaced? Having wasted that opportunity he had to arrange and summon good people. That is an aggravating factor to Mr. Jerí’s conduct. I imagine those people will be very uncomfortable.
Names are already being mentioned to replace Jerí.
Of course. Since Mrs. Boluarte was vacated. The Board of Directors was elected spontaneously on July 26. Whoever it was has already been chosen. And it is never easy to achieve a Board of Directors with the original benches, those that came from the popular vote. I disagree with the fact that bewitched benches with turncoats come later to try to be president of Congress or the presidencies of the commissions. I believe that the turncoat should lose his seat.
The seat belongs to the party.
Exact. Here everyone goes with the motto of a party. I am a daughter of the preferential vote. But the seat belongs to the party.
Fujimorism destroyed the Senate and is now bringing it back. Do you put yourself in the place of the former senators? How to avoid closing Congress?
I have been lucky that several have been my teachers. Some have been my friends. My look has changed. Experience gives us that. But that does not erase the fact that it was a very serious situation in the late 80s, due to the disastrous legacy of the military government. Today we are in a very similar situation. Now we are attacked by organized crime, extortion and hitmen. The indiscriminate immigration we have had has to be solved. Along with good people have come hordes of criminals.
Did the great wave of crime begin there? I imagine you don’t believe in “procrime laws.”
That’s a narrative. There are no procrime laws. They seek to empower a certain group that has used the administration of justice to persecute. And this is not only the case of Keiko Fujimori, but that of many other people who have experienced family tragedies, including Mr. Alan García.
Will you propose that the Senate ratify prosecutors?
I have that concern personally. I see these supreme judges who incite people to break the law. There is no diffuse control there. They believe that no one is above them. In addition to the JNJ, there should be Senate ratification.
Are you not afraid of the politicization of justice?
But they are already politicized.
It could be worse. Today you have a large bench, but it was not always like this, and you know it. What if tomorrow the majority is on the left?
Well, but that is determined by the population. At least there is that popular vote filter. How is it possible that there is a supreme magistrate who encourages judges not to apply a law?
“DO NOT CROSS YOUR VOTE”
The previous Senate ratified prosecutors, generals and ambassadors.
I do have that intention, but not like before, where they stood in line and said: “Let’s see, what do you offer?” No. There must be a review of the resume, efficiency, behavior…
The Senate was powerful, but it did not abuse the vacancy. Since Billinghurst there was no…
That is the importance of a president having support in Congress, a strong bench. The superpower is the Executive. Congress does not build bridges or hospitals.
But you already have the spending capacity. The TC opposes…
Congress is passing irresponsible laws.
Fujimorism has become populist. He is no longer the defender of the economic model.
No. Fujimorism has 20 votes. Sometimes other banks beat us. We are the first majority of 13 benches. And 5 of them are spells.
How to govern with that fragmentation?
That’s why I tell people not to cross the vote. Fujimorism is the original. We are not the imitation of anyone. We generated the Constitution and a small and efficient State.
The State has grown a lot. Has Fujimoriism become what you were fighting?
It has grown but not because of us. There is a bureaucracy that is not the most suitable. Fujimorism summoned technicians, beyond the political tinge.
What if they don’t have a majority? Two journalists are already proposing to vacate Keiko Fujimori.
Well, the tunnel exists. So that it is not a possible scenario, I claim originality. Others are not going to defend the Constitution like us. Not just Popular Renewal. Many try to get closer to Fujimorism. If you have the original, why would you want an imitation? We are not here to improvise.
There are “copies” for a reason. It is feared that Fujimori will not win. How will they reach young people?
If there had not been the irregularities of 2016 and the fraud of 2021, Keiko would have been president. There were zero minutes. That’s impossible.
A few thousand votes are always lost. It happened in 2006. But now it is won by fewer votes.
It shouldn’t happen. In 2016 and 2021, the Armed Forces and the Police were immobilized. Now they are going to vote. And the record is not going to be burned. They did not want to display the list of voters at the table, where there were deceased people voting. And there were peasant patrols that prevented officials from entering. We already won habeas data from the ONPE. They are going to have to deliver that list.
In 2016 they did not have representatives. The same in 2021. Why do they repeat that mistake?
In many places they did not allow the representatives to pass. It’s not easy. In addition, an economic platform has been generated for representatives.
It would cost less than a television ad. Going without representatives is suicide.
I have always advocated for a campaign where citizens willingly offer themselves as representatives.
Did the left seize the Ministry of Women? You created it.
Well, how human rights were taken, the fight against poverty…
You were the first president of Congress. But the women’s agenda was taken by the left.
Like the electoral bodies, the Ombudsman’s Office. The children of darkness are more active than the children of light.
Doesn’t Fujimorism lack a discourse closer to women? No self-criticism?
I have always thought that the quotas, which we also imposed, are temporary support. It’s not the goal. But sometimes what is temporary becomes permanent and even worse if they are infiltrated. Then the purpose is distorted.
Fujimori brought the gender discourse in 95, at the UN World Conference on Women.
It isn’t true. I chaired the delegation. We had a lot of pressure from NGOs. And since the documents were in English, in that language there is no word other than “gender” for sex. From there a construct has been made to abandon the concept of woman and man.
But Fujimori brought public policies. Beyond the term, what I am telling you is that you are more conservative than the original Fujimorism.
No. In President Fujimori’s government there were more female ambassadors, vice ministers and congressmen. But then they wanted to distort and take advantage of that. To the point that this distorted feminism denies us Fujimoristas the status of women. Or are they defending Keiko?
Precisely. You let the topic get taken away from you. Or they are no longer interested.
Of course we are interested, but they have appropriated it. They have kidnapped him to direct and distort him towards their interests.
López Aliaga has also appropriated part of the first Fujimorism. Like Absalón Vásquez.
He believes that this way he can divide us. Lourdes Alcorta was pulled. Before, he summoned Rosa Bartra.
And López Aliaga also flirts with Kenji.
I don’t know. I have heard that Kenji does not want to participate in politics.
Don’t you see an electoral future for Kenji?
Holy freedom. It is not easy to be in politics. The first thing is that one has the will to want to be there. But there is no keikism or albertism. There is only one Fujimorism.
Chavismo? Should a party leave the family?
There is also no Chavismo and there is no family issue. There have been people with the surname Fujimori who have not been elected. Keiko is the only Fujimori in Fuerza Popular.
Chavín de Huántar has been appropriated by Avanza País.
Other parties intend to hold on to Fujimori’s legacy. But the experience of successful government, including the mistakes, is ours.
What errors does it admit?
Various errors. For example, not having dedicated time to running a better campaign in the intellectual, cultural and artistic sector.
This is what Fernán Altuve, another former Fujimorist, says. Was applying to Japan a mistake?
For me yes. It was a mistake. The president was not there. And he is Peruvian and was president.
Lopez Aliaga? Joseph Williams? Roberto Chiabra? Carlos Alvarez? Lopez-Chau? Attention? Acuna? Keiko? Alberto Fujimori?
Good person, but sometimes he has a lot of fever. A hero. An unknown. Good comedian and a very nice person. Friend of the MRTA. I don’t know what he may have done in his life. So many things he has not accomplished and wants to take on more responsibilities. My leader and the best candidate. The best president of Peru.
“(Aguayo) is correct. There is a mistake in publishing photos”
Have you been critical of candidate Milagros Aguayo?
It is a very delicate topic. First of all, I know Congresswoman Aguayo and I know of her willingness to work. I can’t put my hands in the fire for anyone, but he has always seemed like a very correct person to me. There is a misstep in publishing photos. But he is not the only one. I have since seen photos of other politicians and journalists with children. Those who believe in abortion and gender ideology have taken advantage of this campaign to hit it hard. That statement from the party seems hasty to me, as if it were a throwaway.
Miki Torres has also criticized her. They wanted to hit López Aliaga.
She is from a different religion, but Mrs. Aguayo seems like a correct person to me. There is an improper use of an error. Because I don’t think those photos should be shown. But she supports the State, which does not have the capacity to house these girls.
The girls should be allowed to choose. There are cases and cases.
There are girls and adolescents. Abortionists want to force girls to have abortions. Not all cases are the same. There has to be a medical board with psychologists.
