As soon as his departure from the Upper House took place, he announced that he would fight for the Executive in the following presidential elections. Below, he answers some questions regarding his candidacy.
Was your departure from the Senate a mistake?
It was at the wrong time, but not because I wanted that to happen. No one would have imagined that I would have been kicked out. The hammer was the subject of the police. Below was my position on the issue of promotion of generals, general commissioners linked to drug trafficking, theft, the zero deforestation project and other things that were important. The day I was fired, all those colonels that I had accused with evidence and who were linked to malandraje were promoted.
Do you regret that situation?
I do not regret. I don’t need many things to be happy. If it were for the economic issue, I would have grabbed the US $ 5,000 that the dogs, in the plural, mostly earn weekly. Even more, because they give you a container as a deputy or senator in Customs. That container you have duty free. If you have to pay port fees, it would cost you US$30,000 on average, but you can negotiate that for US$10,000 with anyone, it is transferred between commercial firms. You have $10,000 a week. Guys like Kalé get $5,000 a week. If it were a financial issue, I should regret it, but that’s not my game. If we talk about the political-electoral issue, it did affect me in the sense that I stopped appearing in the mass media.
Who finances Payo Cubas?
Today I am financed by Paraguayans who are in Europe, Paraguayans who are in Argentina and groups who are here and who are distributed between Ca’aguazú, San Pedro and more.
They finance me in contributions about G. 30 million a month, maybe more. I’m fine with that. My daily per diem to move with the boys who accompany me is G. 300 thousand a day. For example, now I move in a vehicle (Toyota Noah), nice, 2000, diesel. The boys from abroad collaborated and bought for G. 38 million.
A week ago a childhood friend allows me to use an American rolling car, trailer type, which is practically a house.
Payo is in love with power. I trained with Édgar L. Insfrán, the politician is in love with power per se (in itself in Latin) in the desire to govern with power, but power is not linked to money.
Nicanor exercised power, but he raved about the economic issue. Cartes had government, money and power. Lugo had a government, new money, but he had no power. For our neighbors to respect us, we must have a decent government.
You spent time with Cartes, what is Cartes for you?
Mind you, I wasn’t with Cartes for a while. That photo that travels the networks is when Cartes was at Payo Cubas’s house. I made a bet with Lilian Samaniego where we agreed that we were going to hold a meeting at my house with Cartes and without Colorados. The audience was from the humanist and communist parties, associations from the Alto Paraná bar associations, unions and more.
There I had a dichotomy, my quarrels with Federico Franco, and Federico’s dauphin; Happy Ephraim. Cartes was a redeemed guy apparently, I voted for Cartes like many. There was an interesting anecdote, Gerardo Lopéz Benegas, was president of the Communist Party at that time and he tells him; “Horacio, when do you stop calling a woman who practices that profession a prostitute?”, “what?” Cartes responds surprised in the middle of my house. Gerardo tells him; “When she has a son, she is called mother, to the prostitute.” Then he adds; “And you, Horacio, have two paths, either you are the father of the process or you are still a prostitute.”
What is Horacio then?
She is a prostitute, she proved to us over time. The only kind of ruler that ever worked is one who is not in love with money. We are talking about Carlos Antonio López, Eligio Ayala, Doctor Francia and more from that time.
