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Mario Gibellini: "In the country of the Smurfs, the Porky is the king"

Mario Gibellini: "In the country of the Smurfs, the Porky is the king"

Populism has returned, but those who exercise it are unpopular.

They have the fantasy that they will arouse a devotion to the electorate. This thing will not happen. People will withdraw their funds and continue to think what they want. But it is absolutely populist and demagogic what we are seeing. Especially from Congress, which is the singing voice.

The left proposes the errors of the first Alan.

They are superstitions that they will not give up. But Alan García’s government took things from the Velasco government. It is the tradition of interventionism. It is impressive that there are people who continue to believe in price control. Price control failed in the Roman Empire. It produced huge inflation, black market, shortage, deaths from violence. Those who recently voted in Congress for issues that are ultimately a price control, are prolonging that same superstition.

Why do we insist on error? Julio Velarde announces his farewell and still does not understand his role.

In the case of politicians, because it yields in votes. What they want is to benefit, skim the privileges of power. And after them, the flood. And also because the average citizen prefers to present themselves with simple things. When someone intends to explain a counterintuitive reasoning or give themselves the work of following it. They say ‘How not the price control will not be good, so stop going up! If I continue to buy the bread at the usual, bestial ‘. Only in very extreme situations people renounce that laziness. That explains to Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. They came from the disasters of the Democrats and the Labor. But time passes and ‘Ahhh, how comfortable life was!’ And we are going to spend the bill again.

Was Pedro Castillo’s disaster enough or was it very short to vaccinate us against that?

I don’t know, I want to think so. But it remains to be seen. But Mrs. Boluarte, my God, what he has just done with Petroperú …

Why did Pedro Castillo have so many votes in the Lima more Pituca? Was there a Creole fault, woke or what the gringos call White Guilt?

It is a perplexity that we all have. It was evident that he was going to do what he was going to do and that he ignored many things. During the first round he threw himself against the Constitutional Court, against the Ombudsman’s Office, said there were no imports … and in the second round they said that all that did not matter. I remember an interview with Betssy Chávez, who said ‘No, what happens is that the teacher has no soft skills’. And so pretext that he has no soft skills – a teacher, my God – we continue with that. So, yes, there was that, there must have been blame, there must have been huachafeía from those who want to look in a certain way and say ‘No, what horror, you will vote for this other option! ” The truth is that you have two paths and in one it will be worse than in the other, anyway.

“Keiko is going to grow”

What do you think of the candidate Fujimori? Perhaps it is very soon, but it is going down in the polls.

I have the impression that he has become a better candidate in time. I learned, let’s say. His last campaign was the least bad. When he loved Kenji I said ‘Caramba, he is doing things that he would not have thought he would do’. And enroll Carranza … but he didn’t reach him. If one makes a curve, she is a less bad candidate than she was. And Patricia Juárez is better than Becerril. Who are you around is also important. Without becoming a good candidate, I want to make it very clear.

Why so many candidates? It is a good business.

It is a business to sell the registration of the party and raise funds. That from the offer side. From the demand side, it is because everyone believes that if Pedro Castillo, Alberto Fujimori or Alejandro Toledo reached the presidency, is a matter of buying a huachito. Why don’t I win? With 1 of 39 you are much more likely to win than tinka.

Mario Vizcarra is not endey but confusion.

I think it is a deliberate induction to error. It is not surprised by Martín Vizcarra. It is the whole style of Vizcarra. It can be useful for putting people to Congress. But I don’t think the presidential vote reaches an important place. We are still very far. It is the unknown dimension. Everything can happen.

When the left was bigger, it was atomized. Now that the right is greater, it divides more.

The greatest is the vote ‘for none’. It is the War of the Smurfs. And in the country of the Smurfs, Porky is king. I see no enthusiasm anywhere. Indeed, the more power option you have, the more lawsuits they are generated. That explains what is happening in the interventionist conservative right. But it is also happening on the left. Let’s see how the election between Alanoca and Bermejo develops. A candidate who believes that democracy is a blessing and another that comes from the academy. I see no major difference between one thing and the other.

How to break disinterest? With generation Z? Or is it pure marketing?

Your question. It has also been a discreet march. Wong’s Corsican carries more people, don’t bother me. It is the W. generation are these Afannes. I don’t see it for the moment. I think people are more concerned about their survival.

How to finish polarization in justice?

The Judicial Power is unacceptably legislative. It will not issue rules to the Constitutional Court. Not to mention the Prosecutor’s Office. One has the feeling that worse cannot be. But then the story disappoints us. Being optimistic – which is not a state of affairs with which I tune very much, I agree with Voltaire about optimism – one would think that the institutions themselves will generate their reaction. That Pablo Sánchez and Zoraida Ávalos have voted in favor of Tomás Gálvez says that something is happening. They turned their backs on Mrs. Delia Espinoza and have backed the one who seemed to be in the antipodes. It is as if they had said ‘this cannot continue’.

Do you think Congress is getting worse?

Congress represents us because the people who leave have voted for them. They are marching against themselves. They don’t care about finding out who they are voting and then they say ‘Marcho, you don’t represent me’. Idiot, why you voted like this. I don’t know if it’s getting worse. To answer that we must work with decimals. The previous Congress that lasted a year and peak was to run with clove shoe.

Will security be the main theme?

It will be the priority issue with illegal economies as the most important chapter. I hope Petroperú was an important point of the debate. I don’t know why most Peruvians do not see that it costs them.

HE MEF It has been a bit weakening …

A little weakest? A rag! Before imposed order. With exceptions, of course. Politics always interfere, sucks resources and leads them where I shouldn’t. But yes, comparing the MEF Of the last 25 years with the one now, it is a shame. Mr. Pérez Reyes said one thing, then said another and aligned faster. And he said he hadn’t changed.

Through his wife he has a lot of influence in Congress. But it seems that this influence only worked in one direction and not in the other.

Precisely. It is in great tune with Congress, which wanted the eighth retreat. The fact that in the midst of this discussion Dina Boluarte changed positions dragging the MEF, and then Congress gave him permission to travel … I don’t say it may be, but it looks like it is a consideration, right?

It is a bit ridiculous that congressmen want to buy us with our own money.

Absurd. And there are also people who do not even have money in the AFP and go, are outraged and shake their clothes. But protesting and always rebelling gratifies self -esteem, especially in a certain age range.

His brother is campaigning with Phillip Butters. And before, with Alan Garcia. How do you drive it?

My brother is very close to Phillip Butters. But my nephew and godson too. I have a lot of closeness with my whole family. Of course, we touched our hair and argued. And it will probably still be for life, because it is a family seal. But that has not distanced us. Although the last name is Italian, the political decisions of each family member are not the decisions of “the family.” I believe in liberalism and the primacy of individual rights, in that field as well.

What do you think Phillip Butters?

It seems like a slightly strident character. I have not heard important proposals so far, regarding economic matters. Suddenly yes, but I have not read all the interviews they have done. It remains in issues related to security and things like that.

Does the PPC remain “the responsible left? Chiabra defends Velasco.

That phrase is from my friend Iván Alonso. I have repeated it. The PPC was an interventionist with that issue of subsidiarity. The PPC sharpens its contradictions in each campaign.

Have you never voted for Hernando de Soto?

No. But it has only been once on the ticket. The emotional dimension intervenes in the vote, it is very important. But I also find rational motifs not to vote for certain people, including the one you mention.

Is it identified with Carlos Espá and Belaunde?

I do not find a right with which you can tune in. Surely there will be more contact points with one or the other. Carlos is my friend. I would have to listen to what he proposes. So far I have seen it make karate katas and try products in markets. Rafael Belaunde is very nice and respectable, but I do not give me the impression of being very liberal. When one takes him to the definitions he drains. These conversations with López Chau … are groups that in the search for power are willing to make concessions because what interests them is more the power than being consistent.

What do you think Carlos Álvarez?

A good imitator. A very talented humorist.

AND López Aliaga?

López Aliaga It seems pernicious. It seems to me that he has borrowed with the toll issue in a very irresponsible way. It is expressed in a way that opens flanks everywhere, as the latter he said about Gorriti. He is not a leader with whom I can or want to identify me, certainly. I believe, however, that he is eating Phillip Butters the little intention to vote he could have. At the moment, let’s see what happens later.

And Keiko Fujimori?

Keiko I think it will grow. I think he is waiting for the Constitutional Court ruling on the cocktails. That will leave it rather than bad. And then he will say: ‘Don’t you see? They have been chasing me unfairly during all these years. ‘ And much of that is true, with the prosecutor who sees money laundering and money laundering where he did not exist. And I think he has a team, with all his deficiencies, more effective than the one López Aliaga can join.

DYNE. For Gibellini, frivolity saved us from radicalism.

“Women have their nails equally long, just paint them.”

The left has endorsed Dina Boluarte to the right. And Congress helps.

There is an implicit or explicit alliance between what is considered the right in Congress, added to Peru Libre. I do not say that they have sat at a table and agreed. But if talking is not to agree, it is seen that it can also be agreed without talking. And there is amnesty law and so many things that associate it with a conservative or populist right.

Will the history books be hard with the first president? I know that gender is not your fort.

It seems irrelevant to be a man or woman who presides. But this speech that I heard for decades about the virtuosity of women causes me a melancholic laugh. Women come to power and we see that they have their nails equally long as the males of the species, only they paint them.

Do you think that the frivolity of Dina Boluarte and Nadine Heredia saved us from a radicalism?

Yes of course. The sensuality of bourgeois life. But without so many wallets or chocolates Castillo was also behind a sensitive improvement in his quality of life.

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