Matilde Caplansky: "This is not a government, it is Ali Baba and the 40 thieves"

Matilde Ureta de Caplansky is a referent of psychoanalysis in our country. In this interview, we take Peru to a couch to try to understand where our society is going in this terrible situation of corruption.

How do you analyze the reaction of Peruvian society after knowing the criminal acts carried out by this government?

We would have to clarify which Peruvian society we are referring to because the group of inhabitants of Chota is a human group. If you talk about a group of inhabitants of the city of Cusco, it is another; if he talks about Arequipa, he is another; if he talks about Lima, it’s someone else. This means that the versatility of citizens and attitudes, which have allowed Castillo reaches the presidency, It makes us very disoriented. Tell me, who can work minimally if in the months that we have been in this government there have been 70 and a little more changes of ministers?

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I would tell him that the journalists and especially the investigative ones.

And the psychoanalysts. But what about a ministry or a hospital or any entity where paperwork has to be done. The governmental apparatus, the management of governing, has to be done with a certain stability and continuity. The fact that they constantly change people means that this does not exist. From the outset, the panorama is very inadequate, very unstable and prone to the worst barbarities. This is not a country, this is not a government, this is a story. This is Ali Baba and the 40 thieves.

Do you identify a sector that minimizes acts of corruption?

An anecdote illustrates what I mean. Five days ago I saw the famous photo of the procession of the Lord of Miracles and I was moved. I said ‘how good’, because I felt fervour. I wished that this fervor that I felt, through the photo, was true, that it was true. I thought that with the fervor we Peruvians could unite and have some hope because without hope we cannot be a country or anything. I am not talking about a religious issue exclusively, I am talking about a hope of being able to live. I think that these Ali Baba and his 40 thieves do not even have fervor for the country. I only see him for the Lord of Miracles and with football.

Soccer does unite Peruvians, politics does not.

It is the only time that I have recorded cohesive Peruvians as a group and we shouted and sang and fought. All the rest of the time, no.

How do you see Peru in the immediate future?

My God, my dear friend. It is like with the pandemic: you have to wait for the other vaccine to come out.

Pedro Castillo’s friend Alexander Sanchez, owner of the house in Sarratea, was listed as deceased in the Reniec. What can go through a person’s head to play with the figure of ‘death’ in this context?

What a barbarity, it is immoral, it is very sadistic and, in addition, it is a joke. They think we are idiots. They believe feeble-minded citizens, poor feeble-minded people who are not to blame.

In Congress, there is not much will to accelerate the constitutional complaint presented by the National Prosecutor, and a good percentage of Peruvians reject this attitude of Parliament. What is the reason for this passivity?

I imagine they have many commitments. If I don’t have a commitment to anyone, I go out to shout and complain. I say what I feel and what I believe when I have a commitment to myself and to my country. I have not sold my soul to any devil or to any thief or to Ali Baba either.

The constitutional complaint against Pedro Castillo is on the court of Congress Photo: Andina

Do you see the consolidation of a new generation of police officers and prosecutors who fight against corruption possible?

They will silence them. They will not let them act. It only takes one rotten apple to rot everything in the basket. And you will tell me that I am very pessimistic, but I hope that I am wrong and good citizens continue to fight to fight and help those few police officers who are trying to do something. But where you look, there is garbage, there is corruption because it is the structure that is corrupt.

KEEP IN MIND

Matilde Ureta de Caplansky was born in Valdivia, Chile. She studied Psychology, psychotherapy and psychoanalysis. She completed part of her career in Paris, at the Sorbonne, and finished at the Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos.
He is a member with a didactic function in the Peruvian Society of Psychoanalysis (SPP).
Do you think that nations have the rulers they deserve? “No, that’s not true. Please, we Peruvians are better than that, but we have had a lot of bad luck,” Caplansky replies.